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weepished
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 05-2010
| | Posted on Friday, April 29, 2011 - 10:41 am: | 
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Any reports would be great. Ice out, fishing reports, water levels, bugs. |
red_cedar_brad
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 3, 2011 - 11:40 pm: |
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ice is out completly. The water is up and will be normal to high for the start of the season. Fishing is poor and recently just received another hard hit with native netting to the major spawning bed area of the lake. Nets were set at the mouth of the river destroying the years spawn. This is the 2nd season in a row this occurred and will certianly devistate the fish population on the lake, sorry for such a gloomy report. |
weepished
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 05-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 4, 2011 - 1:17 pm: |
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Hey red_cedar_brad, this is John from windsor again.
Wow, that is a real sh*tty start to the reports. Glad to hear the water is up however it's another blow I guess we'll have to take. These guys, I tell ya. Would like to take a hike down to the bridge on 64 (Holdridge I assume) with a Buck knife and a pair of scissors to rectify the problem. Can you get a boat back there from the main part of the lake past the second narrows?
Thanks again, keep us updated and let us know if they open the dams at all.
Cheers,
John |
irishfield
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Post Number: 312
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 4, 2011 - 3:31 pm: |
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When you say "fishing is poor" I presume you're being speculative, considering the season doesn't open until the 21st.
Have you picture proof and reported the netting to the Band chief? They are bringing a few to tribunal that did this on Nippising a few weeks ago. |
red_cedar_brad
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 4, 2011 - 9:15 pm: |
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No photos the Opp and Mnr were present on the two nights and as such reported this im sure. This is the 2nd year for this, sampe people or "keeper of the land". I fish this lake during the season, year round for 35 years now, so when I say the fishing is poor, its POOR, no disrespect.
I am interested in the tribunal though as I was going to prepare something for out tourist association to present to the band office. |
irishfield
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Post Number: 313
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 4, 2011 - 11:43 pm: |
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Let me see if I can find the story on the early netting on Nip. If not I have some contacts that witnessed it. |
irishfield
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Post Number: 314
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 5, 2011 - 12:23 pm: |
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See if you can get ahold of NFNations council. What I've been told so far is the NFN Fisheries has hired 2 off reserve Native CO's from Serpent River.. to enforce the Band ordered Moratorium and Rebel Offenders..and also enforce their treaty.
Which means no OFF RESERVE fishing or hunting .. thus Red Cedar.. Island Lake ...Rabbit .. Wickstead.. Lk Tomiko and most back lakes like Gull , Longbow, Wasa, Blue Sucker etc. will/should all be OFF LIMITS to the traditional netter.
Issue will be that the OPP and MNR CO's won't act on anything when flashed a band card, so enforcement will probably be no better than it is now. |
franklin
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Post Number: 17
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 5, 2011 - 6:06 pm: |
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Not wanting to get into a debate, I am posting as an FYI only. I doubt the Nipissing First Nation has any jurisdiction in this area. This area is just outside the southern boundary of Teme-Augama Anishnabai. Not sure who is doing the netting but it is a right that's protected by the constitution of Canada, so to the poster who wants to 'rectify' the problem with a buck knife and pair of scissors it would be wise how you choose your words. Some more reactionary people I know may think you are doing a bit more than cutting lines or nets. |
irishfield
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Post Number: 315
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 5, 2011 - 7:29 pm: |
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I have no knife in the fight.. I'm just providing Red Cedar Brad with info so he can react to the situation at hand properly. If Red Cedar is South of TFN boundary than I presume that Red Cedar would be almost to the North Boundary of NFN.. unless there's someone in the middle? |
weepished
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Post Number: 7
Registered: 05-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, May 5, 2011 - 9:25 pm: |
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Maybe time to start another thread if people want to discuss this matter further, and yes Franklin that was a poor choice of words on my part. I won't discuss further, this was started for updates on the lake like bugs and how the bite is going. I have been fishing the lake in excess of 15 years, three generations still make the long hike up the highway every year, and hopefully this will continue with my son. Hopefully the ecosystem of the lake is not effected by this if this continues. Again let's keep those reports coming! Cheers all |
red_cedar_brad
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Post Number: 7
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, May 5, 2011 - 9:37 pm: |
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Thanks all for the advice, sorry to branch off on your post weepished, I am trying very hard to be understanding and netural here.
As for the updates here they are.......
An average of 3 moose are seen by me on the highway from Marten River to North Bay, early mornings seem real bad and just at dark. Please be carefull they are getting hit on the highway in great numbers, about 6 so far.
Water level to Red Cedar is down only a few feet but from my deck I can hear the marten river which enters red cedar, and it sounds like they opened the damm so should only be a few days, given the water level of Marten and Temagami im sure it will be high to normal for the long weekend.
Lastly I invite anyone in the area to stop in for a beer or pop, they are more than welcome at my place. Cheers Brad. |
mehingan
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Post Number: 14
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 5, 2011 - 9:44 pm: |
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red cedar brad
netting in the lake once or twice isn`t going to ruin the fishing season because if it did temagami lake would have no fish left by now |
speeddemon
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Friday, May 6, 2011 - 10:27 am: |
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I think there's a big difference between taking over 200 fish & making a profit, and netting 25 fish & distributing them to people who are no longer capable of doing it themselves. Regardless, the Native people were here long before the white people & this is their right regardless of resort owners. Their main concern is for themselves to make a profit. They knew the Native people have fishing rights in their area long before they decided to build their business or camp. If people want to whine & complain, then the fact is that the Native people in Temagami only net 2% of that lake & the tourists and cottage owners are the ones who are devistating their fishing population. |
kevin
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Post Number: 24
Registered: 04-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 6, 2011 - 11:52 am: |
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I get the whole Native people were here first thing, can't argue about that but what I am wondering about is don't they have to follow the rules? Closed season, posession limits, do they need a fishing license? Not bashing anyone here, just trying to understand, we all need to take care of this special place, and leave it better than when we found it, regardless of who we are, or where we are from. |
weepished
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Post Number: 8
Registered: 05-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2011 - 11:54 am: |
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Has anyone heard of any lakers being caught in the last few years on the lake? |
preacher
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Post Number: 161
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2011 - 10:25 am: |
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Hi kevin. The answer to your question is mired in agreements made by royalists wearing frock coats & powedered wigs. In this day and age it amounts to state sanctioned racism. It's a very sad situation that shames all involved. Nobody in this situation deals in good faith. Everyone follows the same basic fundamental behaviour, personal selfishness.
I've listened people complain about the decline of a particular fishery while they take without limit & without need.
Red Cedar being about 1/10th the size of Temagami, the two don't compare. |
mehingan
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Post Number: 15
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2011 - 11:16 am: |
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I think because people live on this lake thats why theres a big stink here but if it was a lake nobody lived on there wouldn`t be this huge deal..take for intesne fry lake gets over fished all summer long yet nobody ever complains about that cuz no one lives there to get upset about it. |
red_cedar_brad
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Post Number: 8
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2011 - 12:29 am: |
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I think that has a lot to do with it, because its does affect people on a personal level. But in this case it has a lot to do with other factors, the community has for years contributed to stocking these fish. The hatchery has since been dismantled but the people who contributed to this effort, many who never fish the lake, still live in the area. The location and time of year is the largest factor here, the spawn in this specific location is the most productive and easiy accessable on the lake.
It may be that this will not kill off the lake, but what it comes down to is sheer tact. A action that is commited at such a time and place is a poor image for any people who commit to this type of fishing. Any person (s) who woud be involved in this is wrong.
As for the lake trout, I caught one last winter, actually my 3 year old caught it, no joke, thought it was a pike at first. It was about 3 pounds with a clipped fin. My grandfather and father who also lived on the lake have caught trout in the past but this was a first in many years.
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weepished
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Post Number: 9
Registered: 05-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2011 - 8:45 am: |
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Where did you get the trout at Brad? |
red_cedar_brad
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Post Number: 9
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2011 - 3:40 pm: |
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Between the 2nd and 1st narrows, in about 20 feet of water. Traditionaly they were caught in the north end where it gets to 112, maybe deeper thats all I found. For sure its a stocked fish with the fin clipped. They have a hard time on the lake when the water is dropped throughout the winter leaving the eggs high and dry in the mud from the fall spawn. |
preacher
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Post Number: 162
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Friday, May 13, 2011 - 1:37 pm: |
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mehingan I think that's very much true. Out of sight is out of mind.
I can't imagine where we would be today if limits weren't introduced. |
weepished
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 05-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2011 - 9:29 pm: |
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Any reports this week? |
irishfield
Member
Post Number: 319
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 20, 2011 - 2:36 pm: |
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Pike, Pickeral, Lake Trout don't open until tonight at midnight.
Temagami is at about normal levels... I suspect Red Cedar will be similar. |
weepished
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Post Number: 11
Registered: 05-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2011 - 7:45 pm: |
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Hows the north this week? Bugs? fish? bears? moose? lions? tigers? |
weepished
Member
Post Number: 13
Registered: 05-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2012 - 9:03 am: |
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How's things looking this year, ice out? Hows the water levels? |
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