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paulv
Member
Post Number: 2
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 3:41 pm: | 
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We had a great trip Aug 7-13th. Unfortunately on Sunday 12th coming off Napolian lookout on Ferguson bay we come across a family with a black lab that charged at my 15yr old son. I ran up between & scolded the dog while the owner sat and watched. The dog was dificult to read as it came around me with tail wagging came at my Sheltie. Sheltie was scared & barked at the Lab. The lab proceeded to attack my dog & chomped on her a coulple times before I could grab her by the neck and yank her off. I pinned her to the ground by the neck untill I could see my dog was safe. Letting the Lab go, there was the owner sitting( yes sitting!) still & saying oh sorry, sorry!
This was an agressive dog & should have been on a leash. Further the owner should have severely disiplined the dog. My only regret is I didnt do it myself.
Lesson learned. I will not be caught without my knife again. I hope to never run into a dog like this again but if I do I will not hesitate to take it out. We dont need dogs like this. Furthermore the owner had little kids! I know the dog was protecting his family but we posed no threat & this was on the trail 20' from where they were sitting.
I've owned big dogs(bouvier) never with a temperment like this.
Dog owners, control your animal, make sure it knows who the boss is. If you cant, tie it up, or better yet leave it home.
If the owner reads this, Know what a chump you are for allowing this to go unpunnished. Your apology is incincere & unacceptable!!!
Again, everyone, dont let your guard down, not everyone out there has common courticy, protect your family with a big tooth, the carbon SS type.
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alscool
Moderator
Post Number: 141
Registered: 02-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 8:52 pm: |
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Well that's not very good but I must say your attitude towards the incident is not very rational and I can only think that in the aftermath you are able to come off as a tough guy from behind your keyboard.
So your concerned for your dog. I can appreciate that, but surely you could tell that it was non life threatening after you put a stop to it. How bad a fight was it? Did they not try to go at it again?
What sort of discipline were you looking for?
Forty lashes while you and your dog look on?
As bad as the situation was do you really think shanking the dog with your carbon SS would be a nice thing for the kids to see yet alone dealing with the owner. Would you bury the carcass yourself or leave it for the delinquent owner?
I tell you I would freak out! |
paulv
Member
Post Number: 3
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 10:12 am: |
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Alscool,
Yes I am mad as hell. Apparently you have a big dog? Would you dicipline your dog if it charged at a child bearing its teath or would you sit on your but like this chump and say I'm sorry???? Dicipline doesnt necessarily mean a beating but at least grab this dog by the collar & scold it. My guess is this is a kennel dog & dominates the house. Oh ya, he didnt have a collar either.
Yes after I pulled the Lab off I got the situation under control and it was then non life threatening. What I am saying is if the lab did not let up & continued to rag doll my dog I was not prepaired- my fault. If it was a pitbull or other killer, I was not prepaired. There were small kids there and thats the only reason I didnt chew out their Dad after. The last thing I would ever want to do is take an animals life but this situation very easliy could have gotten worse. I will not be caught unprepaired again. Knife would be last resort but if something was trying to kill my dog and I couldnt stop it by hand what would you suggest I do? Maybe I should stand there & let my kids watch their friend be torn apart?? I'm sure the owner would be 'sorry'.
and I could bury her carcas on the hill.
Again, if you cant control your dog have them on a leash!!This way your dog doesnt 'freak out' & neither will you. |
alscool
Moderator
Post Number: 142
Registered: 02-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 6:08 pm: |
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Well my dog and I do travel over Temagmi together and we have yet to cross another dog on the portage. I do believe he to be well mannered and friendly but just last weekend he was near pummelled to death by his older brother at an annual get together. Actually there were two incidents one chained and one not, both were vicious and distressing. In the end my dog survived and I learned a valuable lesson about tripping with my dog (that is be prepared to ram a big stick in the dogs jaw!) Dogs are unpredictable and fights do happen and the number one thing I realized was keep the children and us clear... the dogs for the most part will sort themselves out. Strange dogs crossing paths while canoe tripping must be hit and miss and in your case (which I think is a one off and bad luck) was obviously the low feature of your trip and that is really too bad. Too answer your question... if it was my dog violating your dog, I would certainly beat it over it's spine with my paddle till he gave in and then I would grovel with apology.
I'm sorry but your anger got the better of me, but a vigilante attitude about protecting your Sheltie at all cost got my goat.
As the these parks get crowded, these problems will escalate and I hope that there is still room in Temagami for my dog and I to portage without restriction.
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hillbilly
Member
Post Number: 243
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 4:45 pm: |
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paulv,
I have met and know alscool's dog and he is has been very friendly to me. Like alscool said dogs will work things out. I have a large boxer and he has not been around other dogs much and when around other dogs he seems fine but around strangers (people) he can bevery agressive. Every dog can act differently with other dogs and with people. I do agree with you that the owners of the other dog should have tried to do something and not just set there.
Bill |
paulv
Member
Post Number: 7
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 8:09 am: |
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Thanks guys.
Like I said, I used to own a bouvier (80 lb kind of like a newfie dog). I agree with you both that usually dogs will work things out like Alcools & his brother. You had to see this dog rag doll mine - my dog 25lbs was no match for a 80 lb lab. It was not a diciplined dog at all. I believe in socializing dogs so I will usually let them meet & sniff things out under close watch but this dog even threatened my son.
I guess the frustration is that I could not protect my son & dog at the same time.
Bill, if you're on a trail where you know you might meet people I imagine you would get control(leash or grab his collar) of your dog before-hand knowing his disposition? Especially with so many kids around.
Temagami is an increadible place, I played the whole thing down for my kids & it did not taint what was an amazing trip.....It just bothered me how the owners had no controll or responsability & this was my vent.
Alcool, i appreciate your comments about the stick.....maybe big stick would be better than big 'tooth' and I also would not get between 2 big dogs...but I will always help the underdog, even the human sort.
Thanks guys |
sundown
Member
Post Number: 189
Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Monday, August 20, 2007 - 4:04 pm: |
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Paulv
Lab had tail wagging?
Sheltie barked?
Was your Dog (as a Responsible Owner) On-A-Leash?
I'm thinking.... ummmm...."No"... justa hunch...
Which MEANT:
"tail-waggin'-Lab-lookin'-to-make-friends..."
mighta just thought... not bein' a stupid dog
Hmmm...this lil friend
acted 'ggressive.
I'm thinkin'... What-the-heck-do-I-Know, ya know... so, Sue Me.
Now, I understand totally...
there ya are, you got your hair-in-the-Temwind, and hell... lets let the Sheltie do,too.
But, I'll tell ya this:
If Yer "ankle-biter-off-leash barkin-provokin dog" ever challenges my
On-Leash-trained-to-be-sensible-Dog...
Bob WILL be its Uncle.
You tell a story with enough sad facts about what you did wrong, I've no choice but to totally
'ppreciate yer honesty... So, I thank you.
But, yer SS reminds me of SS. And, always will
make me vigilant for a Sheltie, lest it be yers.
Sorry, bud.
(Yup, I agree... Some Owners Insist the Dogs have to Work it Out... and, tis a friggin' shame)
My thoughts:
"mostly its the Owners that need the Figurin"
Sundown
(Message edited by sundown on August 20, 2007) |
paulv
Member
Post Number: 9
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 4:28 am: |
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Sundown.
No my sheltie was not on a leash.(whether this makes me irresponsible is a whole other topic & subjective)
She did not bark in agression but out of fear of the dog probing her. Her being on a leash would not have stopped the Lab and she never leaves the families side(Sheltie nature)
She is not an ankle biter and has never shown agression to any dog or human.
Here we go....
I dont believe all dogs have to be, or should be leashed at all times if they are properly trained and the owner has control.
I have owned countless dogs in my life, anywhere from terriers to boxers and bouviers, and now a sheltie - all great dogs for different reasons.
None of my dogs were permitted to threaten another person, especially a child. Because my dogs were socialized they were not agressive by nature & yet could still guard the family if threatened.(except for the Sheltie )
If I knew there was another large dog in the area the leash would be snapped on.
Dont think I'll figure this owner out. bit of a putz to me.
Im not sure what your SS is?
I love my hair in the wind, so does the dog. I guess I can only hope, my dog never meets 'uncle Bob'! }
Last point- Isnt the whole purpose of a forum so that we can learn from each others experiences, good, and bad? or is it all victorys, sunsets & clear waters? I have no shame in admitting my mistakes if it can benefit someone and I appreciate the practical feedback from guys like Alscool & Bill.
Paul |
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