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gibson
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 01-2011
Posted on Friday, June 3, 2011 - 1:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

Hi all,

My buddy and I are planning a seven day canoe trip for the middle of August and I just wanted to run it past the group to make sure my estimated timing is reasonable.

Start early - Gervaise Road access to Kettle Falls (Sturgeon River)
Day two - Kettle Falls to Pilgrim Triangle
Day three - Pilgrim Triangle to Seagram Lake
Day four - Seagram Lake to Bluesucker Lake
Day five - Bluesucker to Solace Lake
Day six - Solace Lake to Paul Lake (Sturgeon River)
Day seven - Pilgrim lake back to Gervaise access

Any thoughts you could provide based on the above route would be greatly appreciated.

By the way, I was able to get a draft copy of the canoe route map Temagami 4 - Northwest by Chrismar. Apparently it will be finalized in the next month or so...but in the meantime if you call them they will give you a draft version for free untill the final version can be shipped.

Thanks,

Jamie
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ed
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Post Number: 1025
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Posted on Friday, June 3, 2011 - 2:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

I think you are being far too ambitious. If your purpose is to prove to yourselves that you are invincible, then go for it, but you will be paddling and portaging from dawn to dusk, to keep to that schedule.
Some sections of your schedule require 10-12 portages/day to be completed leaving no time for you to enjoy the trip, the scenery, etc.

I would be looking to add maybe 2-3 more days to your trip to make it enjoyable.

If you can't find more time, then I would suggest you try to put together a different, less demanding trip.
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grncnu
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Post Number: 79
Registered: 08-2010
Posted on Saturday, June 4, 2011 - 12:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post

each individual day is doable, it's just when you stack them up together and throw in a few surprises...
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gibson
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Post Number: 4
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Posted on Monday, June 6, 2011 - 9:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post

Thank you both for your responses. Clearly our excitement for this trip has resulted in us being a little over ambitious. We will see if we can steal a few extra days or find a more managable route.

Thanks again for your comments.
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yellowcanoe
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Post Number: 92
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Posted on Tuesday, June 7, 2011 - 11:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

ed - how would you suggest that they revise/breakdown their trip, while adding a side trip to Florence? Thanks. Paul
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ed
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Posted on Wednesday, June 8, 2011 - 8:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post

If one was at Talking Falls and had the time available, go east to Pine Lake from Mudchannel then up Ames to Florence, then out of Florence via Bluesucker.
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yellowcanoe
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Posted on Wednesday, June 8, 2011 - 10:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post

ed - But I thought the Mudchannel to Pine area was pretty much unpassable right now. Sounds like I'm mistaken?
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ed
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Posted on Wednesday, June 8, 2011 - 11:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post

I was through there about 3 Springs ago and it was all open.The little creek from Mudchannel was not very useable, and I portaged this section to the first lake. After that I had no problems.
You could check with Ontario Parks in Finlayson PP to see what they have to say.They may have been through there recently and cleared any recent treefalls.
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yellowcanoe
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Post Number: 96
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Posted on Wednesday, June 8, 2011 - 3:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

So, that said (and in light of the uncertain Twinkle access), does this route look feasible? 5-6 hours paddling. Non-aggressive pace. 2 boys, experienced, but 2 boys nonetheless:

1. Gervais to Sturgeon River
2. Kettle
3. Triangle
4. Yorston
5. Talking Falls
6. Pine
7. Florence
8. Florence
9. Bluesucker
10. Pilgrim
11. Solace
12. Solace
13. Selkirk
14. Take out & Gervais

I'm thinking that days 5, 6, and 7 may be tough.

btw, Gibson, sorry for hijacking the thread.
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ed
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Posted on Wednesday, June 8, 2011 - 4:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

I would try to get further down river on the first day. You could make Kettle and then Kettle to Pilgrim is a long day but possible. Triangle to the north of Yorston is possible, but some long ports.Yorston to Seagram is not bad,( real bad the other way) but going on to Talking Falls would be a long day,. Talking Falls to Pine is a long day.

That's the way I see it.
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yellowcanoe
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Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 - 7:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

Thinking about your comments, and I've adjusted the trip details accordingly. Keep in mind that I would not be running any of the rapids (I paddle an ultra-light Kevlar Wenonah Minnesota 2, and everything would be portaged); hence, the additional time on the Sturgeon. Also, note that I only have 15 days.

1. Gervais to Twin Falls
2. Kettle
3. Sturgeon
4. Pilgrim Triangle area
5. Yorston South
6. Seagram
7. Talking Falls
8. Bluesucker
9. Florence
10. Florence
11. Bluesucker
12. Pilgrim
13. Solace
14. Twin Falls
15. Gervais

For me, it's come down between this trip or the Smoothwater to Gamble option.
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ed
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Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2011 - 8:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post

Looks good.
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alscool
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Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2011 - 8:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post

though I would not fancy the double back to Bluesucker along the same ports. Also as nice as Bluesucker is there is a nice campsite on Benner Lk, one over.
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ed
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Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2011 - 3:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

Yellowcanoe:
I didn't look at your Florence sidetrip carefully. I would have to agree with alscool. Going back to Bluesucker would not be a lot of fun.Why not save Florence for another trip when you can enjoy it properly?
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yellowcanoe
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Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2011 - 9:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

ed - good point, and it's one I'll take into consideration as I decide which trip to take. Love to hear which one you and others would recommend. Two weeks, and I'm dying to settle on one.


1. Sturgeon/Florence/Gervais Route

Note: Tracking/Portaging all rapids

1. Gervais to Twin Falls
2. Kettle
3. Sturgeon
4. Pilgrim Triangle area
5. Yorston South
6. Seagram
7. Talking Falls
8. Bluesucker
9. Florence
10. Florence
11. Benner
12. Pilgrim
13. Solace
14. Twin Falls
15. Gervais Takeout


2. Smoothwater/Florence/Gamble Route

1. Montreal/Smoothwater
2. Scarecrow
3. Hamlow
4. Solace
5. Solace
6. Pilgrim
7. Bluesucker
8. Talking Falls
9. Unnamed Lake (Crossover)
10. Pinetorch
11. Lewbert
12. Florence
13. Florence
14. Chance/Gamble Takeout
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yellowcanoe
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Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2011 - 10:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

And for option #1, strike Florence.
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ed
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Posted on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 8:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post

yellowcanoe:
How would you get from you put-in north of Smoothwater and your take-out at Gamble?
Are you getting a shuttle or were you planning to stash a mountain bike in the bush?

Both trips are quite interesting.Do 1 this year and the other next year and that way you have now planned 2 trips at once.
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yellowcanoe
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Posted on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 9:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post

Hi ed - I'm shuttling.

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yellowcanoe
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Posted on Friday, June 17, 2011 - 12:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

I'm trying to dissuade myself from the Sturgeon route because I don't think I have a suitable canoe (ultralight kevlar) for it, despite my plan to portage/track everything.

(Message edited by yellowcanoe on June 17, 2011)

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