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purser
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Post Number: 9
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 2:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

Thanks Brian, I'm going to pick up a copy at the Library and have a look.
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brian
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Post Number: 139
Registered: 02-2004


Posted on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 11:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post

Here's the Vedette again (background) in 1941. Can anyone help identify the other boats?

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purser
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Post Number: 10
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Posted on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 4:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

One of these would probably be the Ramona and it would be the longest of the three. It was a little faster than the other ex-convoy boats the ONBL had. I remember when I worked there, a fellow by the name of Joe Beaucage drove it, and he pretty much had his name on it. Joe used to like to pass the Aubrey and the Naiad out on open water.
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brian
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Posted on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 5:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

I believe this is the Ramona. Don Miller and Dan Carpenter both mentioned the Grey Owl and Ojibway as possibles. I gather from Don that these latter two were almost identical.

Purser, ex-convoy boats? Were these boats used in WWII?




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purser
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Post Number: 11
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Posted on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 11:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

It was my understanding that many of them were used in WW11 to protect troop and suppy ships. May I ask, Brian, what your source is for these photos? The quality is quite good. The only other person who used to have pics like this on his website is Jack Humphrey, but he has since removed it from the net.
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brian
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Post Number: 141
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Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 10:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post

I have no single source. As you may be aware, I just wrote The Keewaydin Way, and it is impossible to separate Keewaydin's history from the rest of Temagami since 1902. While writing that book, I realized how much of Temagami's history I was also gathering, or could gather with little extra effort, and that a history of Temagami was the next logical step. So I have photos from all over. And I am still gathering.
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brian
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Post Number: 142
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Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post

Tim Gooderham just sent this:

The crash boats were used by the RCAF during WWII to go after aircraft that crashed into Lake Ontario from operations (among other places) at Kingston. At the end of the war the TNL (Temagami Navigation Ltd.) was the only outfit dumb enough to buy them. They were so slow with only one engine they were only good enough for freight service. Nobody could afford to operate them with the original three engines. Only Donald Potts and others like him had enough patience to drive them. The skeleton of one of them used to be in the mud way back in Boatline Bay.

By the way, the two barges, one of which is partially shown in Posting # 128, were sold by the defunct ONBL. One went to Bear Island and the other to Boatline Bay boatlines, which is now defunct. It is now owned by Charlie Berube. They are both surplus WWII LCI's.

Do you have any pictures of the KoKoMis? It was a real dandy - especially when owned by Allan Doughty. It was a double ender.
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purser
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Post Number: 12
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Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 3:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

That answer to how they were used during the war sounds better than my suggestion. As far as speed, the Naiad used to run at about 12 knots , the Aubrey Cosens a bit faster. Boats like the Ramona, Grey Owl, etc. were faster than that by a fair bit, so I disagree just a bit with Tim on that score. One story, if you'll permit, in an earlier posting I said that my first job at the ONBL was to add another coat of paint to the Cosens. My second job...Jack Swan (Superintendent), asked if I would go up the lake with this elderly couple and open their cottage for them. It was just prior to boat season as far as the Aubrey and Naiad was concerned. Being a student on holidays?, I thought sure ; there's gotta be a tip involved here. An ONBL driver brought us up the lake, about 5-6 miles as I recall. The elderly gent seemed short of breath upon exiting the boat. I had a very full day, carrying all supplies up to the cottage, removing shutters from cottage, getting the Delco system going, etc. etc. What I do remember was it was Joe Beaucage who picked me up at the end of the day. He asked me with a straight face about the tip I received. I told him I had received a very big thank you from them both. Joe had a small smile on his face, and I realized I hadn't been the first benevolent volunteer.
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brian
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Post Number: 143
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Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 3:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

Purser, I believe Tim was referring to the speed of the crash boats, not the Ramona, Grey Owl, etc. so I don't think you two disagree at all.

Good story.

Did I ask you if you were there when the Naiad struck the ONBL terminal?
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purser
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Post Number: 13
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 11:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post

I was there and I threw the bow line around the dock beam which prevented the Naiad doing more damage. The only real damage done was the spear on the Naiad's bow sliced off a chunk of the corner upright post which supported the Supt.'s apt. above. The spear broke off and fell in the water. Other than that just a minor scrape or two to the hull. Rather exciting moment or two though.

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